Dear Team Doublesix,
Here is the summary:
1) Ningbo has yet to send images of the second steel hand-mold sample. If they can’t improve significantly on the first sample, then the next option with them is resin dice in a silicone mold, at a 1.8x increase in cost (email exchange below).
2) Quote from Koplow games came in today (below), but still awaiting samples (including their pipped d12s) in the mail. Summary: Mold cost for acrylic $2625 (Ningbo $1300), per unit ~$.15 (Ningbo ~$.08). However, I still need to confirm they won’t have the same production issues Ningbo is having with acrylic.
3) I have agreed to endorse a new Kickstarter for machined Doublesixes (campaign here). Laura has run a similar Kickstarter in the past (with satisfied customers: see comments), contacted me to use the name, and mailed me a sample of her d12 (video below). I have asked for no royalties, hoping this will simply help promote the Doublesix brand.
Silicone vs Steel molds (courtesy of Superbacker Vladimir De Rosa):
Silicone molds will be much cheaper, but need to be replaced much more often.
A steel mold, properly made would be good for 50k-100k moldings, and potential have 100 dice made each molding (or more depending on press size) But will cost bucks, domestic it would be 40k$+ don’t know chinese tooling prices as well
silicone ill only get maybe 16 or so dice per molding, and only last 1000 or so moldings, but once the master is made (about 4k) additional molds would be less than 1000$ each
a) Wait for Ningbo images and samples of their second try.
b) Wait for Koplow samples of their pipped d12s, and continue to explore using them (US-based broker).
c) Follow-up with producer Longbright (Quote: resin mould, $600; $0.13/pc) and Whatzgames (Quote: resin mould, $1500; $0.18/pc and $0.19/marblized pc).
Recent Ningbo contact:
Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:15 PM: This should be our last plan.
For the resign [resin] one with silicone mold
strength :material should be more soft and weight , and the mold charge should be more cheap.
weakness : single pricing should be more expensive about 1.8 multiple
But before the finial visual for the the going one ,we will keep the plan the moment as the expensive pricing.
Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:53 PM: Yes ,it should be finished on weekend or not late than next early week .
For silicone, we using resign material for the dice which is similar to acrylic but more soft as noted last mail . and this should be small quantity while mold charge should be hundreds cheaper.
we will try our best here .
Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 5:59 AM: The finial visual on copper (just for checking the effective for dot) will finished the day after tomorrow and we will send the image to you then .
<P.S. I checked in again on Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 8:27 PM, and Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:27 AM, and as of this post, have not heard back.>
Quote from Koplow Games:
Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:19 PM: Hi Matt:
Sorry for the delay. Pricing is listed below:
18.75MM(flat side to flat side)custom Opaque Urea molded dice with spots 1-6 x 2:
20,000pcs: $.13 per piece; 200,000pcs: $.10 per piece; Mold cost: $2325.00
18.75MM(flat side to flat side)custom Opaque Acrylic molded dice with spots 1-6 x 2:
20,000pcs: $.16 per piece; 200,000pcs: $.14 per piece; Mold cost: $2625.00
Please note the following:
All custom orders are paid for in advance.
All pricing above is fob our warehouse in Boston, Ma.
Delivery would be 90-120 days upon receipt of order and funds.
Delivery can be made within 60-75 days upon approval of additional air freight charges.
All quotes are valid for 90 days, but due to current world situations Koplow Games Inc. reserves the right to amend this quote due to extraordinary circumstances:(acts of terrorism, war, or other catastrophic events).
The factory will retain ownership of all tooling and upon customer’s request will provide documentation attesting to the existence of said tooling. The factory will NOT release or transfer any tooling. Upon customer’s request factory will destroy said tooling and provide documentation of the same.
Buyer warrants items manufactured to customers specifications are free from claims for infringement.
Customer to supply camera ready artwork.
Please add 3.0% to the above pricing if paying by American Express, Mastercard or Visa.
Please add $25.00 if paying by wire transfer.
Please also note that urea dice can only be made in Opaque and only in stock colors(Black, Blue, Green, Ivory, Red, White, & Yellow. Minimum order must be 10,000pcs. per color.
Please note that acrylic dice can be made in all materials available and just about in any color that you prefer.
Minimum order must be 10,000pcs. per color.
I will get your samples out tomorrow.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
<I am getting samples of urea and acrylic, and may do both, depending on quality and differences. I will have to go with acrylic to get the non-stock colors. I also need to talk with Lenny again to verify that they won’t have the same mold issues Ningbo had. I look forward to seeing the sample of their pipped d12s. >